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    vinayak patil

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    regarding IDA revision

    Post by vinayak patil on Sun May 10, 2009 7:08 pm

    mys question is how much time it will take for finalisation. Scales of IDA as recommended may be communicated. Every one is eager about the latest status.

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Mon May 11, 2009 1:52 am

    The processes involved are as follows,
    1. FCI Officers Association have demanded equalisation of pay at par with other Scedule A PSUs
    2. FCI Board have approved and directed that the same be forwarded to the Ministry of Food
    3. The FCI Management has forwarded it to the Ministry
    4. The Ministry needs to take a decision on the same.
    5. If Ministry agrees, the same would then have to be forwarded to the Dept. of Public Enterprises
    6. If DPE agrees to the same, it would be communicated to the Ministry
    7. The Ministry would then ask the FCI Management for recommendations on the Allowances and Perquisites also
    8. The Allowances and Perquisites would also first have to be approved by the FCI Board
    9. After approval of the Board, the same would be forwarded by the FCI Management to the Ministry
    10. The Ministry would prepare a Cabinet Note and sent it for Presidetial Approval.
    11. After Presidential Approval, the Official Orders would be issued by the Ministry
    12. The same would then be reissued by the FCI Management

    right now, we only at stage 4 (its under examination in the Ministry)

    vinayak patil

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by vinayak patil on Mon May 11, 2009 10:34 pm

    can we expect pay revision by next month end.
    outcome of the conference at Hyderabad.

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Tue May 12, 2009 1:16 am

    As indicated, there are 12 levels to be crossed. And we are only at level 4.
    A realistic estimate of getting actual effect of pay revision in money terms would be by August end at the very earliest.

    The details of the National Conference would be posted soon.

    Admin
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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Thu May 14, 2009 6:53 pm

    The Secretary has approved the forwarding of FCI Pay Scale revision proposals to DPE for comments.
    The same would be sent to the DPE after the return of JS(FCI) who is presently on leave and expected to join back next week.

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Wed May 20, 2009 10:09 pm

    Follwing the patern of BSNL, the Ministry has taken a decision to bifurcate the issue into two stages
    1. Obtain Presidential Approval for direct fitment to corresponding revised Scales without upgradation and issue the notification
    2. Refer the case of upgradation the DPE

    Accordingly the case is now been processed for obtaining the Presidential Approval for direct fitment to revised scales first with an intent to provide partial benefit immediately.

    However, the following processes are further to be completed
    1. Issue of notification aftre PResidential approval
    2. Decision of FCI Board to implement the notification
    3. Decision of FCI Board on Allowances and Perquisites
    4. The Board may even seek the approval of Ministry for Allowances & Perquisites
    5. Issue of Circular by FCI Hqrs after final approval (by Board or by Ministry as the case may be)
    6. Parallel processing of the case to DPE regarding upgradation

    Hence, any actual payment should not be expected before middle of July.

    prattib

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    bifurcation of wage revision

    Post by prattib on Thu May 21, 2009 10:56 pm

    Following BSNL pattern first and then refer the case of upgradation to DPE seperately may take time. Moreover when once the revision is finalised, the review of revision for upgradation may be difficult. In my view, better we bear the delay and get wage revision without any bifurcation but in single pack
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    dharmarajub

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by dharmarajub on Sat May 23, 2009 12:07 pm

    It is under stood thar the wage revision orders are going to be issued by 25th or 26th of this month. Kindly confirm

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Sat May 23, 2009 3:26 pm

    The Ministry would issue the orders for revised Scales (without Upgradation) after the portfolio of New Cabinet is finalised and the new Food Minister assumes charge as sanction of the Minister is required for the orders.

    However, the allowances are yet to be approved by the FCI Board. Under such circumstances there are two options available
    1. To issue only Scale revision circular on provisional basis and isuue the orders relating to allowances and perquisites later (as has b een done by GAIL)
    2. To wait for the approval of the allowances and perqs by the BoD and then issue complete circular.

    We would discuss the issue with the management and take a decision in this regard.

    Meanwhile suggestions of the members in this regard would be welcome.

    Swarup

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Swarup on Sat May 23, 2009 8:03 pm

    "spare the demand for upgradtion, spoil the chance of the same"
    Once the new scales are implemented, the intensity of the on going movement/lobbying for pay upgradation is bound to get weaken and may die down.
    Mr. prattib (post 7) has a logic.

    vinayak patil

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by vinayak patil on Sun May 24, 2009 4:26 pm

    For E-1 catagory most of the organisation accepted the scales of Rs. 16K something. Don't we see the exercise is futile for Rs. 20K for the same catagory. Such delay may create unnecessary problems. I had gone the thru' the scales of other A' Grade organisation like BSNL, CONCOR etc. First it was a report that E-1 scales has been fixed on Rs. 20K--- then again report came it is under process. Let me know what exactly it is.

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Sun May 24, 2009 7:12 pm

    We are not demanding 20K scales for E1. We are demanding that based on the existing CDA scales operated in FCI and the corresponding IDA scales operated in other organisations like CWC & BSNL where both CDA & IDA scales exist, the post of Manager is a E2 level post and not E1 level post and similarly for all higher levels including the ED level post which should be E9 for a Group A CPSE instead of the E8 presently available in FCI.

    but the above two posts (post #9 & #10) clearly show the two divergent line of thoughts flowing among our officers. while one group rightly recognises this as the last chance to reorganise the existing posts at similar levels to other IDA based organisations, the other group is not willing to wait even six months and is only impatient to get the wage revision, even if it means getting a lower fitment.

    The present office-bearers of the association face the un-enviable talk of attemptin to strike a balance between the two and still try to achieve what is best for all.

    Swarup

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Swarup on Mon May 25, 2009 3:53 pm

    Most of the officers in this Region (NEF) are of the opinion that we should not repeat the mistake committed previously by disassociating/isolating ourselves from rest of the "A" Category PSUs by accepting an inferior pay package and other benefits for almost ten years. Thus we are already losing better fitment in-comparison to other PSUs of same category. For example minimum fitment in respect of
    E-1 - officers in say OIL etc. will be Rs.27800/-, previous E-1 scale being Rs.12000/-
    whereas in FCI the same will be Rs.19930/- or (in E-2) Rs.24910/- if pay upgradation is accepted by the Govt. The same is true for other scales also.

    FCI Officers Association has almost won a better pay prospect for us this time, which we should not let it go.
    Our motto this time should be "better late, than never"

    I urge other members/officers to express their view/suggestion on this to enable FCIOA to formulate strategies on this

    prattib

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    pay revision

    Post by prattib on Mon May 25, 2009 8:26 pm

    I have already conveyed my opnion stating that instead of accepting 16K pay scale and then try for 20K pay needs rethinking. The process of our demand for 20K has been examined by the Ministry and sent to DPE ( 4th step). I think if DPE clears favourably, it may not take much time to get file cleared by the Ministry again and get the presendential order. I hope better we bear some time to get 20K pay and if it is failed any how we have fair chance of getting 16K as was done for other PSUs.

    rks_81jld

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by rks_81jld on Tue May 26, 2009 5:13 pm

    I agree with you.

    vinayak patil

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by vinayak patil on Wed May 27, 2009 10:43 pm

    After all we have accepted the same scales. But fighting was going for 20K for Managers. Where it is pending. Don't wee think it was a futile exercise for 20 K for Manager. Other PSU already accepted 16K at E1 level. If we find the hierarchy of other organisation there are many grades right from E1 level i.e. Rs. 8600/- ( Asstt. Manager) to the E1 level to E9. We might have changed the designations but it does not mean our Manager would be like other PSU. If other PSU operate their designation from Director then what will happen.
    Benefits of this pay scales may please be flashed in details.

    vinayak patil

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by vinayak patil on Fri May 29, 2009 10:15 pm

    Now it is understood that we asked for E-2 scales because assistant manager is resignated as manager in FCI. Had the other oranisation adopted same policy and they would have upgraded like us then what will happen. Nothing. Reason is there E1 scales starts from 6500/- CDA and 8600/- in IDA. Don't we find the entry level? Secondly latest update may please be sent so that calculation likewise may be done.

    vinayak patil

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by vinayak patil on Fri May 29, 2009 11:31 pm

    I want only outcome of the pay revision. The day before yesterday there was rumour, may be confirmation from HQ that Manager scales may start from 16K instead of 20K. As per latest status of your Email it had to be considered as E2. Why it had to be considered as E2 though it is very clear to us that entry level officer of every organisation start their pay scales from 8600/-. Only on the basis of re-designation or change in the designations should it be changed. It is beyond of my understanding.

    nsmohanfci

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by nsmohanfci on Sat May 30, 2009 5:34 pm

    we,most of us of the same view as that of MrSwarup(25.05.09).We will Wait andif need fight and get better scale this time.

    vinayak patil

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by vinayak patil on Sun May 31, 2009 4:21 pm

    Scales have already been approved. The undermentioned demands may be brought forward as perks.
    1. Some certain or 80 ltrs petrol per month may be fixed as allowance. No need to produce expenditure voucher for reimursement.
    2. Periodical allowance @3% of BP instead of Rs.90/- newspaper allowance.
    3. Maidservant or servant allowance for cat. I atleast 2000/-pm.
    4. Driver allowance Rs. 3000/-pm.
    5. Entertainment allowance @3% of BP pm.instead of lunch Rs. 125/-pm.
    6. Yearly increment should be uniform i.e. @5% per year.
    7. Certain amt. may be fixed for LTC or BD as per admissibility. Production of ticket is not allowed.
    8. Loan on Conveyance i.e. Four Wheeler or Two wheeler in full. Not any amount Actual cost of the vehicle is allowed.
    9. House Bldg. allowancein full. Unwanted and unnecessary documentation work may be stopped so that Organ. could facilitate more employees.
    10. In case of death or major injury in Rlys, Air, Flood etc. seperate fund may be raised.
    11. Shortage of staff may be considered for imposing unnecessary penalties and work load.

    Admin
    Admin

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Sun May 31, 2009 10:00 pm

    vinayak patil wrote:Scales have already been approved.
    The scales are yet to finalised at the Minsitry level. Please do not fuel rumours.

    vinayak patil wrote:The undermentioned demands may be brought forward as perks.
    1. Some certain or 80 ltrs petrol per month may be fixed as allowance. No need to produce expenditure voucher for reimursement.
    2. Periodical allowance @3% of BP instead of Rs.90/- newspaper allowance.
    3. Maidservant or servant allowance for cat. I atleast 2000/-pm.
    4. Driver allowance Rs. 3000/-pm.
    5. Entertainment allowance @3% of BP pm.instead of lunch Rs. 125/-pm.
    6. Yearly increment should be uniform i.e. @5% per year.
    7. Certain amt. may be fixed for LTC or BD as per admissibility. Production of ticket is not allowed.
    8. Loan on Conveyance i.e. Four Wheeler or Two wheeler in full. Not any amount Actual cost of the vehicle is allowed.
    9. House Bldg. allowancein full. Unwanted and unnecessary documentation work may be stopped so that Organ. could facilitate more employees.
    10. In case of death or major injury in Rlys, Air, Flood etc. seperate fund may be raised.
    11. Shortage of staff may be considered for imposing unnecessary penalties and work load.

    The demands of the Association regarding perks and allowances and superannuation benefits (including death during service) are already avaliable in this forum under a different thread. The Staff Union are also supporting us on this issue and has already made the same demand as part of their wage negotiation.

    The issue of increment already stands finalised by DPE for all CPSEs and is non-negotiable.

    Loans and advancess does not fall under the category of Perks or Allowances.

    The benefit of LTC reimbursement is already available for all IDA employees for which neither voucher not availment is necessary. For Cat I, we have already achieved the facility of Air Travel and for others the restriction of air fare by Rajdhani fare instead of normal train fare.

    The staff problem is an IR issue and is not directly linked to wage negotiation.

    Before hastily making any post just for the sake of making a post, it is adviced to kindly go all the threads and also all relevant information.

    Admin
    Admin

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by Admin on Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:57 pm

    The Minister has sought certain clarifications and sent the file back to the Dept.
    The Dept. would resubmit the file along with the clarifications sought for.

    rks_81jld

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by rks_81jld on Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:40 pm

    Thank you, Admin. Also other members who are airing their views about wage revision. I am being enlightened. Thanks again.

    prattib

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    delay in wage revision

    Post by prattib on Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:13 pm

    Most of our colleagues dreamt of retiring with revision of pay and gratuity of cealing of ten lakhs since January of this year. But who are retiring are unhappy due to delay in revision of pay and other benefits. Of course even after they will get their due amount but it is feel of proud of getting lumpsum amount at the time of superannuation. Let us wish that our scales are revised at the earliest and the retiring officers shall go homewith heavy pocket.

    rks_81jld

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    Re: regarding IDA revision

    Post by rks_81jld on Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:14 pm

    you are right, prattib. delay in wage revision is worrysome.

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